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		<title>By: Noile</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80166</link>
		<dc:creator>Noile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you&#039;re quite right, LindaC.  I&#039;ve left this post up because it addresses issues of concern, and because user agreements just like this one do turn up.  For a look a the new terms, see the next post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noile.net/2012/05/update-pinterest/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Update:Pinterest&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;re quite right, LindaC.  I&#8217;ve left this post up because it addresses issues of concern, and because user agreements just like this one do turn up.  For a look a the new terms, see the next post <a href="http://www.noile.net/2012/05/update-pinterest/" rel="nofollow">Update:Pinterest</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaC</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80161</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Pinterest changed its Terms of Service effective April 6, 2012. They must have listened to their users. I still won&#039;t post pictures on the internet that I don&#039;t want shared. :) Wouldn&#039;t the internet be boring without pictures? Anybody remember those &quot;old days&quot;? ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Pinterest changed its Terms of Service effective April 6, 2012. They must have listened to their users. I still won&#8217;t post pictures on the internet that I don&#8217;t want shared. <img src='http://www.noile.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Wouldn&#8217;t the internet be boring without pictures? Anybody remember those &#8220;old days&#8221;? ha!</p>
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		<title>By: velosewer</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80040</link>
		<dc:creator>velosewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 04:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for bringing this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing this up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80030</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 01:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the USER agreement, and cannot find the wording you quote above.  Here is what I see:

&quot;Your content. 
Pinterest allows you to pin and post content on the Service, including photos, comments, and other materials. Anything that you pin, post, display, or otherwise make available on our Service, including all Intellectual Property Rights (defined below) in such content, is referred to as “User Content.” You retain all of your rights in all of the User Content you post to our Service.

How Pinterest and other users can use your content. 
Subject to any applicable account settings you select, you grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, display, reproduce, re-pin, modify (e.g., re-format), re-arrange, and distribute your User Content on Pinterest for the purposes of operating and providing the Service(s) to you and to our other Users. Nothing in these Terms shall restrict Pinterest’s rights under separate licenses to User Content. Please remember that the Pinterest Service is a public platform, and that other Users may search for, see, use, and/or re-pin any User Content that you make publicly available through the Service.&quot;

This is from the document current as of April 6, 2012.  The wording is different-it does not now claim the right to sell, or exploit, your content.  

All that said, I am respectful of your concern (as you well know).  I continue to use the site as it is such a treasure trove and a great place to organize my creativity (NAYY).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the USER agreement, and cannot find the wording you quote above.  Here is what I see:</p>
<p>&#8220;Your content.<br />
Pinterest allows you to pin and post content on the Service, including photos, comments, and other materials. Anything that you pin, post, display, or otherwise make available on our Service, including all Intellectual Property Rights (defined below) in such content, is referred to as “User Content.” You retain all of your rights in all of the User Content you post to our Service.</p>
<p>How Pinterest and other users can use your content.<br />
Subject to any applicable account settings you select, you grant us a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, display, reproduce, re-pin, modify (e.g., re-format), re-arrange, and distribute your User Content on Pinterest for the purposes of operating and providing the Service(s) to you and to our other Users. Nothing in these Terms shall restrict Pinterest’s rights under separate licenses to User Content. Please remember that the Pinterest Service is a public platform, and that other Users may search for, see, use, and/or re-pin any User Content that you make publicly available through the Service.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is from the document current as of April 6, 2012.  The wording is different-it does not now claim the right to sell, or exploit, your content.  </p>
<p>All that said, I am respectful of your concern (as you well know).  I continue to use the site as it is such a treasure trove and a great place to organize my creativity (NAYY).</p>
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		<title>By: Noile</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80023</link>
		<dc:creator>Noile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 00:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re like most people, Lisa, your eyes just glaze over when faced with small print in a tiny box!  Kind of what people like this count on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re like most people, Lisa, your eyes just glaze over when faced with small print in a tiny box!  Kind of what people like this count on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Laree</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80020</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Laree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 00:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t know that!  And I *thought* I read the EULA.  I just use pinterest for inspiration photos that are from all over the &#039;net; not personal blogs or websites.  I never planned to post anything of my own there anyway; now I for sure won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t know that!  And I *thought* I read the EULA.  I just use pinterest for inspiration photos that are from all over the &#8216;net; not personal blogs or websites.  I never planned to post anything of my own there anyway; now I for sure won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Shams</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-80008</link>
		<dc:creator>Shams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 22:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noile, quite a few of images from your blog have been posted on pinterest.  You can see them here:  http://pinterest.com/source/noile.net/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noile, quite a few of images from your blog have been posted on pinterest.  You can see them here:  <a href="http://pinterest.com/source/noile.net/" rel="nofollow">http://pinterest.com/source/noile.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Noile</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-79985</link>
		<dc:creator>Noile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 18:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LindaC, it&#039;s true photos can lose the original ownership documentation as they travel and are posted by unknowing people.  Unless the image&#039;s metadata is erased, though, the original information remains with the image.  No casual posted will go to the trouble of trying to erase the metadata.  

Some bloggers post images that are watermarked, which is easy to do, and that is another way of identifying your own.  Well-intentioned people will not go to the trouble of removing watermarks to post on a social site, and serious image-thieves are unlikely to target personal blogs.  They open websites like Pininterest, instead.

Pininterest will have a huge battle on their hands if they try to use those second-party, third-party, and so on images.  But they shouldn&#039;t even be claiming ownership of first-party image posts.  And it shouldn&#039;t take a lawsuit to change that.

A commenter here mentioned that she had posted an image of mine on Pininterest, and I asked her to remove it (explaining my concerns, of course), which she did immediately.  That&#039;s really the answer; it&#039;s making sure that people really understand what happens with those images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LindaC, it&#8217;s true photos can lose the original ownership documentation as they travel and are posted by unknowing people.  Unless the image&#8217;s metadata is erased, though, the original information remains with the image.  No casual posted will go to the trouble of trying to erase the metadata.  </p>
<p>Some bloggers post images that are watermarked, which is easy to do, and that is another way of identifying your own.  Well-intentioned people will not go to the trouble of removing watermarks to post on a social site, and serious image-thieves are unlikely to target personal blogs.  They open websites like Pininterest, instead.</p>
<p>Pininterest will have a huge battle on their hands if they try to use those second-party, third-party, and so on images.  But they shouldn&#8217;t even be claiming ownership of first-party image posts.  And it shouldn&#8217;t take a lawsuit to change that.</p>
<p>A commenter here mentioned that she had posted an image of mine on Pininterest, and I asked her to remove it (explaining my concerns, of course), which she did immediately.  That&#8217;s really the answer; it&#8217;s making sure that people really understand what happens with those images.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaC</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-79980</link>
		<dc:creator>LindaC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you and it&#039;s the reason why I don&#039;t post pictures on the internet. I can control what I do with my pictures, but once they are on the internet, it&#039;s difficult to control what others may do with them. 

Even well-intentioned people use photos from other blogs and websites without realizing that they are stepping across a line. What if one of those well-intentioned people post a photo on Pinterest that they found on someone else&#039;s blog or website, like the photos from Anthropologie? Once it&#039;s out there, it&#039;s out there. One of the biggest problems I&#039;ve read about Pinterest is that photos are losing their original ownership documentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you and it&#8217;s the reason why I don&#8217;t post pictures on the internet. I can control what I do with my pictures, but once they are on the internet, it&#8217;s difficult to control what others may do with them. </p>
<p>Even well-intentioned people use photos from other blogs and websites without realizing that they are stepping across a line. What if one of those well-intentioned people post a photo on Pinterest that they found on someone else&#8217;s blog or website, like the photos from Anthropologie? Once it&#8217;s out there, it&#8217;s out there. One of the biggest problems I&#8217;ve read about Pinterest is that photos are losing their original ownership documentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Noile</title>
		<link>http://www.noile.net/2012/05/pininterest/comment-page-1/#comment-79956</link>
		<dc:creator>Noile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 16:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Shams, I think Pininterst is looking for a world of trouble here, but nobody should have to file a lawsuit to make the point.  Laziness is what unethical clauses like the EULA Pininterest uses counts on.  Anthropologie has the bucks to fight Pininterest, but most bloggers don&#039;t.  And individuals users will have trouble recovering (their images or damages) if they&#039;ve agreed to the EULA, which they all have.  It will take a lawsuit to invalidate the EULA before individuals will get any relief.

Staying off Pininterest is the best, immediate, plan.  I like that option a lot, personally.  Also publicizing these sleazy practices.

You&#039;re right that Facebook has similarly unethical policies, but, sheesh, is there ANY excuse for not knowing what sleazeballs the owners of Facebook are?  They&#039;ve compromised their users in every possible way, and the firestorm over their &quot;privacy&quot; (and other) policies are all over the Internet.  FB depends on the ignorance of the vast majority of their users, many of whom seem to go nowhere else on the internet.  It&#039;s working for them, so far.  No doubt Pininterest found the sleaze inspiring.  I&#039;m hoping people tempted by Pininterest will take a good look at what&#039;s involved &lt;strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; they agree to that ridiculous EULA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Shams, I think Pininterst is looking for a world of trouble here, but nobody should have to file a lawsuit to make the point.  Laziness is what unethical clauses like the EULA Pininterest uses counts on.  Anthropologie has the bucks to fight Pininterest, but most bloggers don&#8217;t.  And individuals users will have trouble recovering (their images or damages) if they&#8217;ve agreed to the EULA, which they all have.  It will take a lawsuit to invalidate the EULA before individuals will get any relief.</p>
<p>Staying off Pininterest is the best, immediate, plan.  I like that option a lot, personally.  Also publicizing these sleazy practices.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Facebook has similarly unethical policies, but, sheesh, is there ANY excuse for not knowing what sleazeballs the owners of Facebook are?  They&#8217;ve compromised their users in every possible way, and the firestorm over their &#8220;privacy&#8221; (and other) policies are all over the Internet.  FB depends on the ignorance of the vast majority of their users, many of whom seem to go nowhere else on the internet.  It&#8217;s working for them, so far.  No doubt Pininterest found the sleaze inspiring.  I&#8217;m hoping people tempted by Pininterest will take a good look at what&#8217;s involved <strong> <em>before</em></strong> they agree to that ridiculous EULA.</p>
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